Thursday, May 7, 2009

On Religiousness and Tolerance


The map that accompanied a recent Gallup poll on the relative importance of religion in the 50 states. The darker the color of a state, the higher the percent of people in the state who said that religion was very important to them.


Recently a parishioner sent me an interesting article from the online version of the Boston Globe, which discussed a recent poll done by the Gallup organization. In the poll, 350,000 people from all over the United States, including a significant number from each state, were asked the question "Is religion an important part of your daily life?" Percentages of people saying "yes" were calclulated for each state. Not surprisingly the highest percentages were found in the Bible Belt, while the lowest were found in New England and the Pacific Northwest (plus Nevada). See the map above for an excellent visual display of the data.

The article listed the ten most religious states (at least according to this study's definition of religious) and the ten least religious, along with their respective percentages of people who consider religion important to their daily life. Massachusetts came out as the fourth-least religious state. My home state of Texas tied for tenth-most religious. FYI, the least religous state was Vermont, while the most religious was Mississippi.

As someone who both works with data for a living and serves as the assistant pastor of a church, I naturally found the results of the study very interesting. But what I found even more interesting than the results of the study itself were the comments left by readers of the article (As of the time of this writing, there are no less than 375; Needless to say, I didn't read them all! I read perhaps 100.). It was obvious from reading the comments that most of the people who wrote them lived either in Boston or somewhere else in the Northeast.

Most of the first several comments were self-congratulatory, saying in essense, "Aren't we residents of Massachusetts great! We are not religious, and we're proud of it! And because we're not religious, we are better than those ignorant saps who are!" Here are just two of the many comments that typify this attitude:

"Massachusetts has one of the highest average IQs of these United States. Massachusetts has one of the highest rates of education (with advanced degrees). Massachusetts is one of the leading states in inventions and patents. Massachusetts is tied for the third least religious states. Go figure."

"Hmmmm. High IQ, high rate of education, not very religious. Makes perfect sense to me."

Just bragging on themselves was good enough for some commenters. Others, however, felt the need to go further, condemning those who live in dark green states:

"Good to know. I'll stay away from the dark green states full of ignorant inbreds who wish for jesus ponies to return with their rapture."

"Yeah.. GOOD. This is one of the best reasons to live here. The graph is great. It could also be a graph of productivity, crime, IQ, test scores, etc etc etc. It would look exactly the same. The worse the place the more religion.."

A few commenters took to task the posters of comments like the above ones. Here are two examples (the author of the second one seemed a wee bit ticked off):

"wow [author of third comment quoted above]. you wonder why the rest of the country believes there is Eastern elitism?? where's the liberal tolerance in that intolerant statement??"

"This is why the rest of the country calls us M*ssholes. [author of second comment above] and everyone who commented likewise are part of the elitist, snobbish, i know better than thee pompous attitude that smells to high, well, i was going to say high heavens. Galileo, Newton, and Copernicus were religious-do all you commenters think you know more than they?'' MA doesn't lead the league in being smart, it leads in being the pseudo-intelligentian, the self congratulators, the wow, ain't i special kids, the ones who think of and call themselves the best and the brightest, and mean it--no humility. The fact of the matter is that there is no reason that religious faith and educated intelligence can't co-exist. I think the main reason MA is like it is now is that Puritanism, and then pre-Vatican II Catholicism, were so smothering, that a good part of the state wanted none of it. Besides, more than half in MA still said religion is an important part of their daily life."

You can probably guess what happened next. The authors of comments like the first two I quoted, plus many others of like mindset, dogpiled the two folks who dared suggest that maybe the non-religous people of New England weren't quite so saintly, or that the religious people of the South weren't quite so horrible. The rejoinders included vicious, ad hominem attacks that certainly did not show any evidence of humility, gentleness, kindness, or (dare I say it?) tolerance. I certainly am not going to quote any of them here!

So what is the conclusion that I drew from this article and the comments? Just this: there may be intolerance in the more religous areas of our nation. But perhaps there is still more in the non-religous areas. As we all know, tolerance is the new cardinal virtue in our secular society. Unfortunately, however, tolerance need not apply to religious people--and particularly not to Christians.

So, what do YOU think about all this? Let me and the rest of St. James' Kids know.

To read the full article and comments, click here.

15 comments:

Clint said...

I am quite sure you don't want me to go off on the virtues of being a southron and the evils of Yankeedom in general...

Suffice it to say that there is a reason that we speak of "southern manners" and "southern cooking" in reverent tones.

But for the sake of maintaining harmony, I will refrain from really going off...

Oh, I will say that I know there are exceptions in every group. But they are the exceptions...

Jessica said...

Wow, now I'm more excited about moving to Massachusetts than ever!!! (Just kidding, we really are extremely excited. I've experienced liberal/intellectual elitism already, so no worries.)

And Clint, my husband always teases me about being a Northerner (born in MI), but I guess I got here as fast as I could!

charlene said...

I never could find the full article from that link, unless it was very, very short so I am not qute sure where the Gallup was going.
I tend to think we are all sinners, both athiest, agnostic AND the "religious". I have known people who never stepped into a house of worship, yet were filled with integrity and followed the "golden rule" in their treatment of others. I have known people who were totally involved in the life of their church, yet who at least seemed terribly intolerant and lacking in a basic sense of morality.
What do I make of this article? Matbe they asked the wrong question if they wanted to find a correlation with "Goodness" or ''Badness" as relates to a belief in God.
Maybe a better question/set of questions would be:
"Do you believe in God?"
"If you do, do you try to live your daily life in a way that honors your God?"
"Do you try to treat people on a daily basis in the way that your God would want you to treat people?"
"Do you try to spend time on a daily basis in worship, prayer, denying yourself the fulfillment of at least some of your wants? Do you show kindness and generosity of time, money and your energy to those that have less than you or are in need?" Only since coming to Orthodoxy, have I been involved with such a group of people that could actually honestly answer these questions in the affirmative. Do the Orthodox hit ther mark on a daily basis? Of course not, but they are actively seeking to do so.
charlene

Michael Kendall said...

Father James,

an interesting point to many of the irreligious claims to factual superiority are that often they are actually inaccurate or in error. I have seen many such 'fact claims' on subjects such as the Crusades, average IQ of Christians, dates of 'bad' Church events, etc. that are plain incorrect.

That doesn't really help reinforce their position about mental acuity.

Mike Kendall

Paul said...

No wonder nobody can't hear God; they are all yelling how great they are and how wrong God is. Why is it the loudest always get the attention.

Many people ask me why I don't talk much. It's because others are always talking and have not yet learned how to breath between words. I think God is alot like that. If people will sit down and shut up, they might just hear that small still voice.

But no, alas we have ipods and mp3 players and ear buds and crackberries (I mean blackberries) and blueteeth and an endless array of other distractions keeping us from hearing God and turning our attention to more worldly pursuits like listening to talk show hosts and news commentators and actually believing what comes out of their mouths.

Kinda like the weather man. Unbelievable.

Fr. James Early said...

Good points, all...especially Paul.

Katie said...

A few years ago, there was an article published that tried to make an arbitrary correlation of average IQ to political affiliation. Well, if we're going to play that game, then a decrease in temperature is proportional to an increase in arrogance.

Mike Fulton said...

I agree with Paul. It depends on your priorities. I remember hearing a priest (I believe it was Fr. Pat Reardon) talking about how in Eritrea and other African Eastern Orthodox communities, people will often state casually, "An angel told me today..." or "God said...". A person once told him, "Well that is absurd. Why would angels or even God talk to people?" This priest then went on to tell him that maybe some people do hear the voice of angels. We are just too "plugged in" to the cares of this life to even pay attention.

I would like to know more about the survey and see if there is even some bias in it. I know a lot of polls that have done this often make the north appear "liberated and intellectual" whereas the south is just plain fanatical when it comes to religion. I too have also seen the "average IQ of Christians" and even a poll on an atheist website that I saw where I was areligious that had "the number of atheists in prison compared to Christians." Of course the latter was a pitiful attempt to prove that people of religion are naturally inclined to criminality.

To be completely honest and it is quite sad, I've met more atheists who are fanatical about their atheism than people of faith who are fervent about what they believe in.

Katrina said...

Clint, being that I am Yankee (born and raised in NJ) I have skin thick enough to let your comment slide off...HOWEVER...according to one of those higly reliable quizzes on Facebook, Fr. James talks like a Yankee, so you may owe him an apology! LOL!

I'm actually quite surprised that Arizona wasn't greener. My home is sandwiched b/w many-o-Mormons and each Sunday as I drive to church I count no less than 6 different roadside signs pointing to the latest and greatest "life changing" church before getting on the freeway.

Sorry nothing really important to add here...all the comments were spot-on! I even have to agree with Clint's assessment of Yankees.

Fr. James Early said...

The point that I was trying to make is not that Southerners are better than Northerners (they're not), nor even that Southerners are nicer than Northerners (which may well be true in general, but there are certainly exceptions). The point I was trying to make is that it's ironic how so many people (regardless of where they are from) who pride themselves on being open-minded and tolerant, mainly because they are not religious, are actually very INtolerant towards people of faith (or anyone who disagrees with them).

It's not a Yankee vs Southerner issue. I think we southern Orthodox Christians have more in common with pious Orthodox Christians (or pious Christians of any tradition, for that matter) in the North than we would with an atheist from the South.

FWIW, I was actually born in Maryland which sided with the Union (although to be fair, they were forced to), although we actually lived in Virginia. Maybe that's the source of my so-called "Yankee accent!" :=)

Clint said...

First, I apologize to anyone who didn't get the humor in my original post.

I know Fr. James got it and I tend to be speaking with a humor-intended undertone most of the time.

If anyone thought I was saying that all Yankees are horrible, then I apologize.

I am sure there are three or four good ones... (just kidding).

Fr. James Early said...

Clint,

You're such a cutup....that's why we all love you!!

s-p said...

Sometimes its hard to separate the philosophy from the philosopher, even for "intelligent" people. Some Christians should not be tolerated :) Paul, you might enjoy the latest "Steve the Builder" on silence. Someone once asked why God doesn't speak to people face to face like He used to, the teacher said, "Because modern man will not bow low enough to hear God."

Katrina said...

I was COMPLETELY being silly! Sorry if that was missed!

Fr. James Early said...

Katrina,

I don't think it was. :-)

Paul,

I agree with Steve, but I would state it more strongly: You will DEFINITELY enjoy Steve's podcast on silence. I enjoyed the blog post that it is based on so much that I quoted it in full in this blog a view months ago.

I think all my readers should listen to "Steve the Builder" each week. It is always challenging, thought-provoking, and helpful. Steve is the man!